so the market and the economy are like two different things right now. people say i don't understand. markets are at record highs. trying to explain that imbalance is one of the most challenging things we have to do. >> the debt ceiling threat, as that looms yet again, february 7th, is that something that you worry about that maybe the second time around on the heels, only a quarter plus later? >> two things. one, unlikely republicans will use the tool as a shutdown again. is that good news? you could argue yes. there are a lot of people who wish we would default, wish we would default, take the pain. if you and i were running up debt, eventually we would miss a bill. >> sure. there's a lot of people who argue the united states needs to go through that exercise. i think this last example shows that politicians, when the fire is in the living room, they're going to find a way to make it work. >> squawk on the street. mark haines was the man for so long. i was scared to death. like the 800 pound gorilla. i thought he was going to bite. yet he was a love. >